Posts by Sea Breeze

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Governing body

by moley in

are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .

January 2024 Study Watchtower is totally flooded.........

by BoogerMan in

.....with the name "jehovah.

in all my years, i've never seen such overkill in any jw publication.

is the org worried about something?.

Sea Breeze

Excellent points. Also...

The word "organization" never appears in the Bible, yet appears 16,789 times on the 2006 Watchtower Library CD.

Even if Jehovah had an organization, we are never told to go to it. Instead Jesus said over and over to come to Him. Weird, how we never caught that point until we left:

Mat_19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Mat_19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mar_1:17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

Mar_10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Mar_10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Luk_1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Luk_9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Luk_14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk_18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Joh_5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Joh_6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out

Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh_21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

Why doesn't the WT want people to come to Jesus for salvation? Why do they tell people to go to Jehovah's organization instead?

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Did Governing Body write Jan. 2024 Watchtower for themselves? Are they afraid?

by was a new boy in

fear !.

since they won't mention the name they're referencing, i will.. .

willem a. vangemeren (born 7 april 1943) is professor emeritus of old testament and semitic languages at trinity evangelical divinity school.

Sea Breeze

Since they won't mention the name they're referencing, I will. - Willem A. VanGemeren - Professor Emeritus of Old Testament and Semitic Languages at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.

Oh wow, first they start blathering about tithing and now they are quoting the daughters of the whore of Babylon herself!

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Will the GB Eventually "observe" Tithing?

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

found this on fb from the recent losch talk.

time for a new business model?.

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Sea Breeze

Perhaps Mr. Losch should be reminded that it has been the long-time position of the WT to "receive free, give free".

"Today, however, many religious organizations of Christendom have ignored this Christian principle and the one that says: “You received free, give free,” and have required their members to tithe". - w60 7/15 pp. 445-446

Now that the internet/technology has destroyed their little printing money-making business model (which allowed for the damnation of tithers), the tithe is looking pretty good.

How Losch can sit there and talk about tithing, even indirectly, after the organization demonized others for promoting a biblical precedent, is breathtaking in its scope of hypocrisy.

Too bad they are locked away in their ivory towers where man-on-the-street interviews are all but impossible.They can hide from the masses they abuse; but they cannot hide from God. Mr. Losch's day of reconing is coming.

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Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE

by BoogerMan in

study watchtower, p. 10 par.

6 - "a ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.

(true!

Sea Breeze

Thanks for the clarification BM.

The WT tries to say that since death was a corporate affair, then the offer of life is also a corporate affair. They liken salvation to getting in an ark....aka their organization/church.

They connect the dots by saying you have to find the right religion to get salvation. In reality, all a person has to do is find Jesus. And, he is not far from anyone.

Hebrews 9: 27 says that everyone will be individually judged. In other words, we won't be judged based on what we did with a religion. We will be judged based on what we did with Jesus. Salvation (and Judgment) is a very private affair.

That was my point.

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Governing body

by moley in

are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .

Sea Breeze

It would seem the charismatic leaders of the last century of the WBTS are long gone and what you have left are a group of corporate goons whose only goal is to keep the gravy train going.

Big Dog, you nailed it. That is just exactly what is happening. They sense that the organization is going off the rails on a ~~gravy~~ crazy train and have no freaking idea of what to do about it.

The good news is that people are starting to wake up. The GB just can't figure out why people are getting off their Crazy Train. Too many mental wounds not healing. People are figuring out that it is the WT that is making them sick.

Ozzy Osbourne seemed to prophesy about this moment in JW history:

Crazy Train by

Ozzy Osbourne

All aboard! Ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!
Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay...

Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love and forget how to hate

Mental wounds not healing
Driving me insane

I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train

Let's go!

I've listened to preachers, I've listened to fools
I've watched all the dropouts who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The ~~media~~ WT sells it and you live the role

Mental wounds not healing
Who am I to blame?

I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train

I know that things are going wrong for me

You've got to listen to my words

So, to any GB reading this post - this song is for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVovq9TGBw0&ab_channel=OzzyOsbourne

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Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE

by BoogerMan in

study watchtower, p. 10 par.

6 - "a ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.

(true!

Sea Breeze

Study Watchtower, p. 10 par. 6 - "A ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.

In its simpliest biblical context, it means simply the price of freedom.

Websters - 1828 Edition

Ransom

RAN'SOM, noun

1. The money or price paid for the redemption of a prisoner or slave, or for goods captured by an enemy; that which procures the release of a prisoner or captive, or of captured property, and restores the one to liberty and the other to the original owner.

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Governing body

by moley in

are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .

Sea Breeze

I think there is a lot of confusion over who is running the WT.

On page 125, of the Revelation Climax book, the Society suggests that some Witnesses who died in earlier years “may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today.” This is reminiscent of their teaching in 1917 that the then-dead Pastor Russell was still running the organization from “beyond the veil” (The Finished Mystery,144,256).

Maybe the spirits are now telling the GB to let the legal dept. run it, under God's guidance of course.

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Governing body

by moley in

are the governing body really in charge or are they just a figurehead with the real power being behind the curtain .

Sea Breeze

Q. Didn't you state that on October 15, 1931, the Watch Tower discontinued the naming of an editorial committee and then Jehovah God became the editor?
A. I didn't say Jehovah God became the editor. It was appreciated that Jehovah God really is the One who is editing the paper, and therefore the naming of an editorial committee was out of place.

Q. At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper, is that right?
A. He is today the editor of the paper.

Q. How long has He been editor of the paper?
A. Since its inception he has been guiding it.

As usual, the WT wants ALL of the authority of God without any responsibility that goes along with such a claim.

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Study WT - January 2024: Basic TRUTHS dispel the LIE

by BoogerMan in

study watchtower, p. 10 par.

6 - "a ransom is a price that is paid to buy something back.

(true!

Sea Breeze

Why do these details matter? We are born, we live and we ~~die~~ (become separated from our bodies)

Instead, I say that we are confident and willing to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Cor. 5:8 MEV

This is why it matters. Because you are made in the eternal image of God, you will be conscious forever. Are you willing to be present with the Lord when you die Rattigan?